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rich quick. me, too. absolutely. wait till we tell you what your odds are of winning. here is a hint. really, really, really, really bad. it is thursday, march 29th. and "starting point" begins right now. ♪ that's my play list, no, not will's play list. that saong marc anthony. our playlist this morning -- i meant our panel this morning. joining us this morning, john fugelsang is a political comedian. nice to have you along. the face you're making. >> just saying good morning. >> i like it. i like it. >> working on my impression. >> i have to work on my mug for the camera. >> it's called being happy to be here in the morning. >> we used to call it the "nightline" nod, nod at the camera. nod at the camera.
let's start with this trayvon martin investigation. there's new videotape. have you seen it? >> i have not seen it. >> you'll get a chance to see it this morning. it's from abc news. george zimmerman gets out of the patrol car they brought him in the night of the shooting. we've talked a lot about george zimmerman and around george zimmerman and his friends have come up to talk about what he has said happened. but now to take a look at what he looks like on this videotape and also to try to match some of those zripg descriptions that a is amazing. trayvon's mother spoke as well. she said her reaction to see in this videotape was pretty amazing. take a look. >> this video is the icing on the cake. this is not the first part of evidence that they have had. they have had the 911 tapes and they have also had witnesses. this is in addition to what the sanford police department already has. this video is clear evidence that there is some problem with
this case and that he needs to be arrested. >> it has been interesting how slow it has been to get -- it's been a month since trayvon was shot and now this is the first time we're really seeing through abc news this videotape. >> one of the things that came out, people made the argument from the outset is, okay, you chose not to arrest him. so, did the investigation end? because there are other people, there are other witnesses who said that they felt that it was trayvon who was screaming as well. so, it was as if the sanford police department did not do a full investigation. the parents, from day one, said we want justice. we want a full investigation. they simply didn't get it. the pressure brought to bear has made all of this possible. >> george zimmerman's father is talking on camera first time as well. martin savidge is in florida with what he is saying. good morning, martin. >> reporter: good morning, soledad. what's interesting about this conversation, first of all, is robert zimmerman is speaking out on his son's behalf.
he did not go on full camera. in other words, he's in silhouet silhouette, because he claims he is in fear for his own safety. that said, let's listen to his words. he points out what he describes as the dramatic life and death struggle that his son faced with trayvon martin. take a listen. >> after nearly a minute of being beaten, george was trying to get his head off the concrete, try iing to move, wit trayvon on him, into the grass. in doing so, his firearm was shown. trayvon martin said something to the effect of you're going to die now or, you're going to die tonight, something to that effect. he continued to beat george. and at some point, george pulled his pistol and did what he did.
>> reporter: two quick things, soledad. number one, robert zimmerman was not there. he is, of course, recounting the words to the story line his son has told him. the other thing there about the firing of the weapon, there have been some story lines and it's suggested there was a fight over the gun and maybe that the gun went off during that struggle. the father does not portray that at all. he says, no, george zimmerman made a clear and conscious decision. he pulled out the gun and he fired. >> i think he's also saying -- again, if he's repeating his son's words, he's saying that weapon was concealed the entire time, right? he says at some point in the scuffle, the gun is revealed. so he's saying the gun was concealed up till that moment. he also says that trayvon martin was smash iing his son, george zimmerman's head on the concrete well over a minute. then the gun is revealed and then he goes back to bashing george's head on the concrete. when we look at this videotape of the -- of george zimmerman
coming out of the police krouser, it's interesting to me to see a couple of things. one, how george zimmerman is sort of walking and not particularly being assisted by police officers in any way and, two, there's some freeze frames we have, martin, of his face and his back. and, again, it's not 100% clear. i wouldn't go on the record saying exactly what i'm seeing, but he certainly is not gushing blood and has not been wrapped in a bandage, after the fire department, paramedics have taken a look at him and cleaned him up a little bit. what do you make of this videota videotape, martin? >> reporter: well, i think it is quite striking. you look at this. we have heard these dramatic accounts from the zimmerman supporters as to how difficult the fight was. then we see george zimmerman and keep in mind, we don't know the exact timeframe. it was some time that night. i don't know how many hours later. he's moving easily. i don't see bandages or a nose that looks overtly broken, blood
streaming down the face or these other injuries that we were told about. so you say, wait a minute. the image i see don't match the stories i've heard. >> and the stories don't match each other. they are all coming from people who weren't there but are translating what they've been told. we'll continue to check in with you this morning. >> more information. it's been fascinating, i find, about every detail that comes out of this case, that we analyze very quickly and try to match up the stories. one that comes from one side, and the other that comes from the other side. trayvon martin's 17-year-old girlfriend, didi, was on the phone with trayvon moments before he was shot. she told abc news that trayvon called her after he first spotted george zimmerman following him. and she says that he was scared. here is what she said. >> he was walking fast. when he say this man was behind him again.
and he said this man was still behind him. and i come and say, run! >> matching up these two versions where there literally is one minute in between, by looking at phone records, when she ends the conversation, because it sounds like the ear piece is pulled out, by her description. there's some kind of scuffle at that point. and between that and one minute is when police are trying to determine exactly what happened in that one minute. >> it's hard for me to trust zimmerman's dad, who says the phone call didn't exist. zimmerman's dad says trayvon wasn't on the phone with his girlfriend. there are phone records that match time. so, the dad, who was a judge -- you would think after that's been established, he wouldn't sit here and insist that he wasn't on the phone. >> the fact that he is a judge will be coming into play in terms of questions of the proprietary of the sanford police department. and the t-shirt.
he's wearing a light-colored t-shirt. there are no blood stains of any kind. he could have had his face cleaned up but the white t-shirt -- >> in the affidavit from the sanford police department, which i have here, they write, i could observe his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been lying on his back on the ground. zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of his head. that is not only a report from his father and friends, but the official police report as well at this time. >> i think you said it right there. a lot of questions. that should be our perspective. that's the one i've been trying to push forward at times. there's still this mystery minute. i would hope we don't arrive at our conclusions and then find facts but see the facts. this video -- they may tell us things we weren't prepared to see before and then arrive at our conclusions. >> we'll have a town hall on friday i'm hosting at 8:00 pm friday that we'll raise the questions we're still asking as we continue this conversation. another big story we're
following this morning is that midair meltdown by the jetblue pilot. his name is clayton osbon. he is in a texas hospital and in fbi custody. he is being charged with interfering with a flight crew. i'm covered in legal complains s today. i'll just go to my next one here, this affidavit. >> something you want to talk about, soledad? >> yeah. it's kind of the story line of the morning. the complaint against him says the strange behavior began when he showed up late for the flight, which meant he missed the crew briefing. after the flight to vegas took off, the first officer said he started making incoherent statements about religion and then yelled at the air traffic control to be quiet. the first officer became concerned when the pilot said things just don't matter and became very alarmed when he said we need to take a leap of faith. >> please don't. >> that's terrifying at 30,000 feet, began giving what was described as a sermon. osbon was finally restrained. he got up and went to the
bathroom, try ied to break into the bathroom, where a passenger was using the bathroom. tried to tell her i need to use the bathroom. meanwhile, they brought another off-duty pilot in, locked the doors and then he tried to break back into the cockpit, tried to pound down the door. the degree to which the two pilots flying thought he might actually break in to the cockpit. >> that man was having a rough day. >> these folks going to vegas, they wanted to gamble and, boy, they got it. >> it's crazy. derrell joyner is a former air marshal. that's a tiny portion of the description of what happened. it seems to me, though, if there's one big takeaway, it's that the first officer acted almost perfectly, considering the circumstances. would you agree with that? >> absolutely. i think he did everything right. couldn't have been done any better. i think he was -- from the beginning, he detected the erratic behavior.
from that, he probably devised a plan in his head. at first opportunity when the pilot left the actual cockpit, he made a decision to say at that point we're going to go in this direction and keep this pilot from coming back inside. i'm sure he gave some orders, direction to the rest of the flight crew to support that. >> what's interesting is that we hear now that they did, at one point -- even over the loud speaker -- tell the passengers help restrain the guy. that was an announcement over the p.a. system. there were no air marshals on this flight. that's got to be incredibly unusual, to notify passengers if you think there might be a need for assistance, right? >> to the first point as well as no air marshals on the flight, i couldn't speak to that and i don't think that information would be disclosed. just because air marshals don't come out in a situation like that doesn't mean that they weren't there on the flight. they could have been there and have assisted as a regular citizen. >> and just not said -- interesting. it would have gone down the same
way, had there been air marshals on the flight? >> you look at it from the standpoint of a law enforcement officer. no different than a police officer being involved in a mob or riot. you're not going to jump out and get involved in that riot without backup. me personally, as an air marshal, i would not have joined that group. you just can't know what's going to happen. you don't know what else is going on. my first thought would be to make sure there's no other interruptions. i want to make sure i can still maintain my vigilance. >> do you mean that you might have thought that what was going on was almost a ruse? you would stand back -- if it looked like other passengers were assisting and there were enough of them, you would stand back to watch to see if something else were to happen out of that? >> i'm not going to say i would have thought that. you can't be certain. you have to make sure that's not the case. you want to make sure you're in a position to take control if you need to. i'm not going to say that in that particular situation i
would have come out as an air marshal. i maybe would have assisted. either way, i would have made sure to communicate with my partner or partners to defuse the situation as best we can. everybody is vigilant. everybody is alert. everybody is wide awake on those aircrafts today. >> if you know they say over the p.a. system, we need passengers to jump in, every single passenger knows what that means. >> and there were men traveling to a conference. >> thank goodness. >> bouncers at the ready. >> other headlines to get to. christine has those. good morning, christine. >> good morning, soledad. breaking news for you. just in, the u.s. military says it has never had access to the scene where army staff sergeant robert bales allegedly gunned down 16 afghan villagers, likely hinder the military's prosecution of bales, according to a u.s. official who tells cnn
bales returned to his base and told his roommate he had been out killing afghan citizens. spike lee apologizing to a couple in sanford, florida, after a retweet forced this emto leave their home in fear. that retweet by spike lee listed an address that supposedly belonged to george zimmerman, the man who shot and killed trayvon martin. elaine and david mcclain say they have a son named george zimmerman who live d there in te late '80s. they had to leave to a hotel. >> he apologized. i deeply apologize to the mcclain family for retweeting their address. please leave them alone. it is a mistake. calling for an end of the trade embargo against cuba.
a challenge complicated by what the pope calls, quote, restricted economic measures imposed from outside the country. an anchor man is back. burgundy rocking a flute and delivering news. >> you came on the show to play the flute and insult me. that was the idea? >> no. actually, i have an announcement. i want to announce this to everyone here in the americas. to our friends in spain, turkey and the uk, including england, that as of 0900 mountain time, paramount pictures and myself, ronald joseph and ron burgundy have come to terms on a sequel to "anchorman."
>> and i can't wait. >> that's good. that's good. including england. >> everybody can be excited about that. >> that is good news. that is very good news. we've lost roland martin off our panel. he goes and does that phone call with tom joyner. still ahead this morning, we'll talk to some children who were absolutely terrified by a wall of flames. >> daddy, where's mom? what's she stopping for? >> oh, my goodness. the family escaped from a wildfire caught on camera by one of the children. we'll hear from them, coming up. and pt barnum said there's one born every minute. if you think you're going to win the mega millions -- which, by the way, i do -- we'll show you what the odds are. what do you think the odds are? >> poor. >> don't miss a thing this morning. follow our entire show on our live blog at cnn.com/startingpoint. from christine's playlist, one republican, good life. >> christine. we haven't heard her music. >> no, we haven't.
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president obama's health care law now behind closed doors and in the hands of two republican-appointed justices. days of oral arguments are over and verdict is expected some time in june. can the law survive if one piece of the law is struck down? take a listen. >> the original mandate is unconstitutional, then the rest of the act cannot stand. >> that's attorney paul clement there. who is affected if the entire law is struck down, 50,000 with high-risk pre-existing conditions, 2.5 million young adults under 26 currently on their parents' plans and 3.6 million seniors, and up to 7
million children who have pre-existing conditions. according to politi-fact, less than 1 million children with pre-existing conditions who are not insured. jeff toobin was in the court. everyone was talking about the train wreck comment that he had. these judges sit behind closed doors. it's not just about the oral arguments but the briefs as well. >> right. >> what makes you be able to say, with confidence, which direction they're going to go? >> the justices ask a lot of questions. the way the court is involved in recent years is that the justices' questions are very good -- not perfect, but very good predictors. they ask questions expressing a point of view. it was not hard to pick up the point of view of the majority of that court. and that's what makes me think some or all of this law is in grave, grave trouble. >> the justices were divided. i want to play a little bit of the audio from the hearing.
take a listen. >> why should we say it's a choice between a wrecking operation, which is what you are requesting, or a salvage job and a more conservative approach would be salvage rather than throwing out everything? >> my approach would say if you take the heart out of this statute, the statute's gone. that enables congress to do what it wants in the usual fashion, and it doesn't inject us into the process of saying this is good, this is bad, this is good, this is bad. >> that was justice ginsburg and justice scalia. >> think about how far the debate moved in just three days. going into the debate, everyone except will cain thought this law was going to be upheld. but by wednesday, it was almost
a foregone conclusion that the individual mandate, the heart of this law, was going to be struck down. and that's a tremendous change in constitutional law. >> the law goes, then if this is struck down, the law goes as well? >> not clear. that's what yesterday was about. >> honestly, jeff, i am really jealous of where you sat the last couple of days. this is a fascinating point in american history that you watched the arguments over. from my reading of this so far, wednesday, yesterday, was highly tense. not just between the justices and the lawyers, between roberts and the solicitor general, but among the judges. did you see that? >> yeah, it was, because with -- on tuesday, when you were talking about the individual mandate, you just had liberals against conservatives. it was very straightforward. on wednesday, on the issue of what do you do once you declare the individual mandate unconstitutional, there was true confusion on the part of all the justices about, you know, do you get rid of the whole thing? how do you carve out just the
affected portions? and i don't know how that is going to resolve itself. usually you -- often, you can predict. that was very hard to predict. >> despite the consensus, didn't you notice the pattern of the more progressive judges of how to salvage the good parts of the bill rather than just throw it out? >> definitely. you saw the liberals saying, look, you can't throw the whole thing out. it's a 2,400-page bill. >> it's a 7,000-page bill and 450 other provisions they're talking about. >> many thousands of pages. much of it is uncontroversial. much of it is unconstitutional, there's no debate. so they're saying how can you get rid of those provisions just because of other stuff that may be dough baited? >> which is the more activist role for the court, to pick and choose what's good and bad or fo for you guys to go, you just redo it in congress?
>> it was so easy to get it done the first time. >> they were living in a dream world. the idea that congress would say, thank you, supreme court. we'll go back to this for the first time in a generation that they got something done. and, oh, yeah, we'll get right back to it. >> they don't make the law. >> and they don't decide -- pick up this conversation. we've got to get to commercial break. thank you for that. still ahead on starting point, the juicy pieces of a new book by tiger woods' former coach who says tiger is rude, cheap. and if you want to know if the coach is breaking the code. his name is hank haney and some of his colleagues are furious. we'll get to that straight ahead. the mega odds of winning the mega millions. we have more of a chance to being hit by an asteroid. not to depress anybody, but -- it's possible. it's possible. will cain's playlist. guy clark, "l.a. freeway."
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these are lines out the door at gas stations. mega millions jackpot is a record $500 million. and that is $110 million more than the previous record, which was back in march 2007, which i also entered and obviously did not win. the drawing is tomorrow night. they say all it takes is a dollar and a dream. but it might really be a pipe dream. according to the mega millions website, the chance of picking -- hi, roland, grab a chair. without looking at the prompter here, what do you think the chance of winning all five numbers and the mega million? >> i have to finish that to be on this show. >> oh, no. 175,711,536-1. >> that's great. here is what i propose. playing off the story we did a few weeks ago. all you guys give me a buck. i'm going to buy some for myself as well. >> the odds of being killed by
lightning, a million to one. odd that is you'll die in an asteroid collision, 300-1. >> that sounds like -- >> the odds of two people sinking a hole in one on the same hole, 17 million to one. >> the odds of newt gingrich getting the delegates needed to -- people are learning how to stay focused. beautiful. >> they say. >> even boyd christmas from dumb and dumber has a better chance of getting the girl. take a look. >> my chances? >> not good. >> not good like one out of 100? >> i'd say more like one out of a million. >> so you're telling me there's
a chance? >> and, guess what, in mega millions we're telling you there's a chance. there's a chance. >> in real life, he has no shot. none. >> optimism is beautiful. >> if you decide to take the lump sum, will cain, how much money do you walk away with? >> how much was the total, 500 million? >> you havely. >> lump sum $50 million. >> $359 million. >> oh, man. >> after taxes. >> i've got bills to pay. that's nothing. >> what's with the close shot? >> steal my show. >> no need to show my pores on this show. >> show up and gloat. go ahead. >> all you need is a dollar to dream. >> that's it. gas prices are now at an historic high. people are worried about when it's going to stop going up. we'll talk to the former president of shell oil. also through the orange glow, you see a family's escape from a
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welcome back to "starting point." let's get right to headlines with christine romans. controversial missile launch in mid april. a new satellite image you're seeing there shows increased activity at the launch pad site. trucks in motion, a crane arm moving into position to lift stages of a rocket. the launch is expected between april 12th and april 16th. it would violate several u.n. resolutions as well as that recent agreement with the u.s. to halt its nuclear ambitions in exchange for food. the california fire service is apologizing for the controlled burn that used to prevent the kind of wildfire it
started. one family's escape was caught on a son's cell phone video. the father doug gulick on "early start" said the family was lucky. >> a large flame shot up and we realized we had to go right then. we turned that corner and went from daylight into pure darkness. and the reason my wife -- my wife was in the jeep in front of us. the reason she stopped, she thought the road might not be passable. and then our neighbor passed her and he knew that there was only about half a mile of that to drive through and he went in front of us and we got out. it was terrifying, obviously. >> the family says they believe their home is still standing. in this morning's a.m. house call, good news to report cancer rates in the u.s. continue to fall. the nationwide report conducted annually by the government credits prevention and better screening to these dwindling numbers. new cases of prostate,
colorecollectal, lung and breast cancers all went down. now, some cancers did increase, though. skin cancer rates are up. the authorities are blame iing tanning beds. if you're looking to lose some weight, try some green coffee beans. researchers say the unroasted beans reduce the absorption of fat and glucose in the gut, including metropolitan antibioticic function. participants lost an average 17 1/2 pounds in 22 weeks and reduced their overall body fat by 10%. >> very good. good to know. christine, thank you. gas prices are rising again. how many times have we said that on this show? new national average announced by aaa this morning. $3.92 a gallon. that's a penny from yesterday. some analysts are predicting that we could see $5 a gallon gas by summertime. john hoffmeister is the president of shell oil company. founder and ceo.
nice to see you, sir. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, soledad. >> gas has gone up 21 cents over the last month and we know that commodities traitors, but people also talk about tensions with iran driving the prices up. if you look over that last month, why up 21 cents? there hasn't been something that's changed am that past month alone. >> well, it can jump around on any number of factors, soledad. the underlying cause is that the world is tight on supply. we've seen this coming for years and years. in 2007 i warned candidate obama that if he didn't do something immediately in his first term to dramatically increase the amount of hydrocarbons we were producing in this country, he would face incredibly high gas prices when he ran for re-election in 2012. he did not do anything and we
went the other way and stopped a number of things from happening to produce hydrocarbons. we also need the natural gas. that's coming along in private lands in states where the federal government has no role. we need to figure out how to turn natural gas into transportation fuel. that would make a great big difference in the way in which american motorists are no longer dependent upon opec and the cartel price fixing mechanism of opec. >> there's another theory that says a way to make motorists not dependent would be to come up with alternative sort of options when it comes to fuel, that you have a two-tiered approach. >> that's right. >> one, people are using natural gas and oil, you also say we need to think of other ways to get energy because this is long term, not going to be possible. i thought since february of 2009 that u.s. oil product was up. the notes i have say 15%. and that same exact time you have the price of oil going up
or gas going from $2.07 to $3.58. why is the increase in production not leading to a decrease in that gas price? >> well, the 15% on the u.s. base is a very small number. so, it's several hundred thousand barrels a day, not millions. when, in fact, the world needs millions. so, china has gone from 5 million barrels in 2005 to 10 this year. they will be at 15 million barrels demand by 2015. those are millions and millions of new barrels that have to be produced. on top of that, the industry has to make up for annual declines. oil declines about 6% to 8% per year in existing wells. so on a worldwide basis, that's about 7 million barrels a year just to replace the declines over the existing period, plus the new demands from china or india.
if the u.s. is producing just that many barrels a day, it's a drop in the bucket from what we need. not just this president, but the last seven presidents before him and the last 20 congresses have really let the american people down by not having any kind of domestic energy plan that would take care of this country and its economy and its citizens over a sustained period of time. that's why i argue that we can't drill our way out of this. i agree with the president. but we could increase drilling by 30% or 40%. >> let's get to the questions. >> john, roland martin here. if gasolines if to $5, when it gets high, people changes their attitu attitudes. isn't that also part of the deal? consumers have to change their attitudes and force a different view because consumers have to demand it. >> consumers absolutely have to demand solutions.
but we live in a country that has more energy than we'll ever use in our history and so what we need is a plan to create that energy, turn it into what we can use as power. that's where we haven't had a plan. we're not stupid but we're playing out politics in energy, which is stupid. politics in energy makes no sense whatsoever. whether it's a republican or democratic administration, they've all failed the american people in come iing to grips wi this problem. i found citizens for affordable energy, roland, to do just what you're talking about, get citizens activated in a way that puts pressure on the political leadership to say fix this problem once and for all. we have the energy. let's go use it. and let's get off opec, because who needs opec? we have all the energy we need. that will take ten years, 20 years, 30 years. but that's what we need to do. >> john hoffmeister is founder and chief executive of citizens
for affordable energy and former president of shell oil. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> we don't like to wait for it. 20, 30 years, people say, no. >> we're affording it to china and india right now. we're selling it. keystone is all going to go overseas. a big factor in this that no one is talking about is vladimir putin made a lot of promises for his re-election and his economy depends on taxing the oil base out of russia. mitt romney is getting a couple of big endorsements from a former president and maybe from his future vice president. we'll see about that and talk about that straight ahead. the affairs, texts, big fall from the spotlight. we're talking to tiger woods' former coach. he has a new tell-all book that some say should never have been written. my playlist is chris brown "forever."
>> that's off roland's playlist, milk & sugar. >> milk & sugar, baby. >> two endorsements for mitt romney this morning. hello, people. pay attention. former president george h.w. bush expected to make his endorsement today and marco rubio announced his endorsement. >> he will be the republican nominee but offers, at this point, such a stark contrast to the president's record. look at the president's record. this is someone who has run the country not very well over the last three years, has no experience beyond doing that. at the same time has no experience with the private sector or the free enterprise system. in mitt romney we have a candidate, an alternative, being successful as a governor, running an important state and also has been successful in the private sector and offers a very different -- >> boy, i was waiting for him to
say and he's going to make me vice president, which would really be great. but he never said that. >> of course not. >> i thought he might. along with those two endorsements, he is backed by new jersey governor chris christ christ christie. >> but who is chuck norris going with? >> that's the $6 million question. we'll do a two-hour special on that tomorrow. >> oh, really? >> no, i'm lying about that. >> americans want to know. >> up next on "starting point," tiger woods' former coaches had a new book out that covers everything from tiger's golf game, changing grips and what he learned from sex addiction therapy. that, straight ahead. stay with us. wewe'r're e ononlyly a abob. fifindndining g yoyou u ththe e isis a allll w we e do. wewelclcomome e toto h hot. chocolate lemonade ? susie's lemonade... the movie.
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tour this weekend since taking a hiatus back in 2009. it came after a mysterious car accident, which wasn't so mysterious that led to revelations about his infidelity and that's a hot topic in a new book coming from tiger woods' latest book. tiger calls writing of the book unprofessional. hank haney joins us this morning. i didn't realize the big miss is a golf term. what does that mean? >> the big miss tee shot. the big miss putt. it's what every golfer fears because you are in a position you can't recover. a big miss putt the opportunity to win a tournament is also a big miss. >> it's called the big miss because it's a metaphor for talking about tiger woods' challenges in his life. some people are angry you wrote this book because they feel like
you are betraying a confidence and you followed and worked with him for six years. you reveal a lot about his personal vulnerabilities. do you think that's an accurate criticism? >> i knew some people would have that opinion. i was okay with that. i have my opinion and my opinion was that these were my memories too. they weren't just tiger's. i'm a coach. i'm not the first coach that's ever written a book. phil jackson wrote a book. joe torre wrote a book. john wooden wrote a book. just about every football coach has written a book. there's a long list of coaches that have written books. i just wanted to share my memories and talk about greatness that is tiger woods. >> everyone is, like, where's the vulnerability. there's a lot of golf. golf. let me talk about what happened right after thanksgiving and the drama. a lot of people are reading that. tell me about what you thought of tiger woods personally. you said he was cheap. he was rude at times. >> you know, in the book what i do is describe all of the things
that pertain to his golf. to be an incredible champion like he is, you have to be self-centered. in context those things you mentioned the cheapness and the rudeness at times, those are things that go with being self-centered. and i describe it in detail about how tiger is such an incredible champion. overwhelmingly the book is incredibly positive. it wouldn't have been an honest book if it didn't have some negative in there first. >> we talk about self-centered. it's you and your caddie out there playing. you have to be self-centered in golf. i got to ask you, you're a swing coach of other players. why should a player trust you as his swing coach to hire you in the future if they sit here and say you revealed personal details about him. i have to watch myself around you. that's not what --
>> i have coached pros for 32 years. over 200 touring pros. tiger was my last student. i made a decision he would be my last student. >> you're done? >> no more pro players? >> no. i retired from that. it's not something i have to worry about i guess. >> i have a question about the elements you didn't want to talk about. i don't want to judge tiger woods although i think you don't cheat on a woman after making her sit through that much golf. my question is in regards to the aspect of his personal life, was there pressure put on by publishers to include that to increase sales? >> absolutely not. only in the context that it applies to his golf is there anything in there. i didn't know anything about everything that tiger was doing. steve williams, tiger's caddie, didn't know. i didn't know. first i heard about it was when tiger's agent called me two weeks before tiger had all of the scandals come out and he told me there's going to be an
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welcome, everybody. our "starting point," the tale of the tape. there is surveillance video that shows what george zimmerman looked like the night he killed trayvon martin. he described martin as smashing his head into cement but are there wounds to prove it? we'll take a look at that this morning. plus, the wrong george zimmerman. we talk to a couple that says they are living in fear after spike lee retweeted their address as george zimmerman's and that jetblue captain now facing federal charges for his mid air meltdown. he was saying things like it's time to take a leap of faith, which is always bad for a pilot at 30,000 feet. his wife and co-pilot talking to police and say they see a completely different person that day. it's thursday, march 29th and "starting point" begins right now.
that's dwele "find a way. that's off roland martin's playlist. john fugelsang is with us and will cain is columnist for blaze.com. we're talking about this new videotape that you have seen of george zimmerman. in a way it would be interesting and i don't think police did this if they had taken photos like high quality good photos where you could really make out any kind of damage to physical bruising or injury to george zimmerman because of course i think a lot of case is going to hinge on that. this surveillance tape is from the night that george zimmerman killed trayvon martin comes from the police station. it was obtained by abc news. you can see in it george zimmerman gets out of the police cruise and eventually is led into the building and it will be important for lots of reasons. this shot we showed you originally was a 2005 mug shot.
the jacket has been described as wet after police say it looks like he got wet from lying on the grass. lots of attention paid to the physical condition of both trayvon martin and george zimmerman. you don't see blood streaming out of george zimmerman from the videotape. you don't see bandages and of course that doesn't seem to match claims of that he was beaten and had his head slammed against concrete for more than a minute, which comes from george zimmerman's father. trayvon martin's mother reacted to videotape last night when she talked to piers morgan. here's what she said. >> this video is icing on the cake. this is not the first part of evidence that they had. they've had the 911 tapes and they have also had witnesses. this is in addition to what the sanford police department already has. this video is clear evidence
that there is some problem with this case and that he needs to be arrested. >> lou is a former investigator with the nassau county police department and now director of the elite intelligence and protection agency. nice to have you. nice to see you again. so when you see this videotape, what sticks out to you? >> i don't see any real injury number one. you hit on an interesting point earlier. in law enforcement if we had a person with substantial injuries, we would take photographs of that because at some point in time, if you got into a court proceeding, you would have to produce those photos for the jury to appreciate the gravity of the alleged assault. there doesn't seem to be anything more than miniscule if anything at all in those photos. the thing i want to say, i'm not too preoccupied with this tape. there's an inherent problem with this case and it stems from the very nature of the interaction of mr. zimmerman and mr. martin.
he had no authority to approach this young man on any level. so he precipitated this contact. whatever mr. martin did, he probably did it standing his ground. in his own defense to be very candid with you. i'm a little confused about how the case has proceeded. a time line has been established by a 911 call. there's further information supported through conversations with the girlfriend that sets into play a pattern of zimmerman's behavior that clearly outlines the fact that he precipitated this confrontation. there's no affirmative defense for him in using a firearm. the second thing is that none of these community watches are you authorized and i just had a phone call with someone in florida to carry a weapon in any capacity. something you might find interesting as well. i'm licensed to carry a concealed weapon anywhere in the united states, district of columbia and it's territories. if i want to go to florida and work and carry a weapon, i need
a different permit. he would have had a permit to carry a concealed weapon for work purposes. >> something you said had a huge assumption that i have questions about. this is our job to ask questions. you said zimmerman precipitated this incident. he initiated the confrontation. do we know that to be true? my position is i'm seeking the facts, seeking the circumstances. do we know that to be true ? that's not his story. i'm not defending zimmerman. what i'm trying to find out is the truth. >> i would say that if you wanted to look at this concept called probable cause based on the fact that mr. zimmerman made a phone call to 911 and they informed him basically to stand down yet for some reason he mysteriously had contact with this individual. mr. martin had a phone call with his girlfriend indicating he was being followed by this individual. i think there's enough -- you want to call it circumstantial, i would say there's cause enough to believe that he precipitated this. >> let me play a little bit of
what jorgeorge zimmerman's fath had to say. he's in shadow because many people are concerned about their safety. >> he was punched in the nose. his nose was broken. he was knocked to the concrete. trayvon martin got on top of him and started beating him in the face and his nose, hitting his head on the concrete. >> he went onto say this. he said after nearly a minute of being beaten, george was trying to get his head off the concrete trying to move with trayvon on him into the grass and in doing so his firearm was shown. that's the first time you hear about the father's description clearly it sounds like being informed by his son's telling him. it sounds to me like he's saying the weapon was concealed the entire time. this sticks out to me. >> he shouldn't have had the weapon on him to begin with especially if he was operating in this capacity. there are guidelines. i just indicated to you before that i had a conversation with someone who was involved with some of these community watches
and that's one of the things they're specific about. i want to mention to you the fact that we have police that are not permitted to carry weapons. mr. zimmerman did not have formal training in any law enforcement environment but he lacked experience. all he was required to do, all of the expectation is even in private security is to observe and report. that's all they are looking for you to do. i think there's a whole other dynamic that's driving mr. zimmerman that i don't necessarily want to speak to at this point. >> racial dynamic. >> i think it has to do with his personality defects. >> let's say you go the to scene and someone says i saw this guy. he looked suspicious. and then i guess you would ask what was he doing? was he peering into a window. that person wasn't. this person gets out of their
car and then is approaching him or looking for him because he said he was looking for him and he lost contact with them. that means he got out of his vehicle where he originally was to go look for him or whatever and so when you say pursue, that's really what you're talking about. >> absolutely. you have to put yourself in the mindset of this young man, mr. martin. this kid grows up in the city. he has some unknown male approach him and he doesn't know what his intentions are. mr. zimmerman did not have a shield or an i.d. card as we're provided in law enforcement he could walk up and identify himself. i just want to ask you a couple questions and give the kid an explanation. we've had break ins in vehicles and burglaries, something that would give you some type of cause to confront him. >> even neighborhood watch smock or something. >> he didn't have authority to confront. i have a question. in new york state in an individual had been arrested for assaulting a police officer, would that individual ever be allowed to carry a concealed
loaded .9 millimeter? >> it's a felony in the state of new york. you can't own a weapon after you're a convicted felon. the answer to that question is straightforward. you lose your right to vote and other privileges. >> all of these issues are raised as conversation continues. i was surprised to see you can kill someone and not be arrested even if that arrest led to not being convicted. the statute they said their hands were tied. lou, nice to see you. thank you so much. we know lou from past experiences. >> breaking news in philadelphia at the airport there. police are telling us a man with an unknown homemade device has been apprehended at the philadelphia airport. we have our own journalist on their way right now and a federal law enforcement official tells us at this hour there's no indication that this is a terrorism incident. they have someone in custody. he never got on the plane. he was apprehended with an
unknown homemade device when he was trying to go through the security checkpoint there in philly. so we've got people on the way. plan for a delay because there's a law enforcement situation happening in philadelphia. the jetblue pilot who had to be wrestled down mid air is facing federal charges and 20 years in prison for interfering with his own flight crew. we're here minute by minute details from inside the cockpit about what looks like an apparent mental breakdown. the first officer told police that captain clayton osbon scolded air traffic controllers for making too much noise. then he turned off all of the radios in the cockpit and also yelled we need to take a leap of faith. passengers were eventually able to pin him down after a quick thinking co-pilot locked the door on him. and wouldn't let him back in the cockpit. the white house keeping a low profile this morning refusing to speculate about the possibility of the supreme court declaring the president's health care overhaul unconstitutional.
after three days of arguments, many legal analysts believe the justices may strike down the key provision in the law that individual mandate which would require most americans to buy health insurance or pay a penalty. a decision from the high court is expected sometime in june. gop front runner mitt romney reportedly planning renovations to his california beach home that would make the white house look like a shack. the romneys plan to transform their seaside home into an 11,000 square foot home to make space to host the candidate's five children and 16 grandchildren. romney's campaign says the plans are on hold until the campaign is over. awkward moment for joe biden during a speech at a factory in iowa. the vice president was attempting to thank a community president named dr. theresa paper. >> let me say it again. thank you, terry.
thank you dr. pepper. and thank you -- dr. paper and thank you, chancellor for this partnership. >> so is that a gaffe or someone that has to remember an awful lot of names. >> it's a gaffe from someone who has to remember a lot. joe biden makes gaffes recently. >> that's what makes him joe. >> which makes him joe. >> he's average joe. >> dr. pepper. thank you, christine. still ahead on "starting point," another one for the presidential playlist. you heard him sing al green. now they are remixing the president. spike lee is apologizing for tweeting out a couple's address as george zimmerman's address and it might be too late. we'll talk to that couple now to
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welcome back. spike lee is apologizing to a florida couple in their 70s. elaine and david mcclain were forceded to move out of their home out of fear after lee retweeted their address as being that of george zimmerman. spike wrote on twitter i deeply apologize to the mcclain family. it was a mistake. justice in court.
elaine and david mcclain are with me this morning along with their attorney, matt morgan. mrs. mcclain, how did you figure out that your address had been given out on twitter. i'll go with assumption that you're not tweeting regularly. >> i've never tweeted. i don't even text. but the only reason it started to stir our mind about it is we had some reporter and cameraman at our door on sunday asking for george. my husband said we don't have a george that lives here and don't know anyone and then the next day we got hate mail. and then the next day we had many, many cameras coming. >> so you knew something had happened. tell me a little bit about the hate mail, mr. mcclain. what details about hate mail can you tell me? >> it was an envelope addressed with a black magic marker to george zimmerman at our address.
on the back of it in a red magic marker it said taste the rainbow. and i guess that's the skittles catch phrase. and then it had a circle with a v on the back of it. i didn't open it. i just didn't really know what to do with it. >> so you obviously started getting very concerned about your safety. what was the decision that you decided to make? >> well, we decided -- we called the police and reported it to them. and they -- >> we left home. >> you moved into a hotel, right? >> we left home. >> we left home. moved into a hotel. >> how has that been for you? you're not in your house. i would imagine getting meals and all that stuff you have to do has become a challenge. >> it's been really, really
hard. really hard. i have a heart condition and high blood pressure and this has just skyrocketed it. we have a lovely, small home and not to be able to go to your home and not to be able to anything, clothes. we just got out as fast as we could. >> my goodness. as you know, marcus higgens who was the first person to tweet your address and then spike lee who then retweeted the address have both apologized and i'm curious to know if you accept those apologies or how you feel about them since your life has been upended. >> we definitely accept the apology. we just don't want this to happen to anybody else. the social media has no accountability to anybody. they can put anything on there and they don't care. they don't care how it affects other people's lives. >> i know, mr. mcclain, you have called for retracting the tweet
which is impossible to do and i heard ms. mcclain say there was an opportunity to get together with spike lee or somebody else to make some kind of change. what would you like to see come out of this really pretty terrible situation? >> i would like to see our town, sanford, to make strides to work together to understand people and just work through the process. i do believe in america we have a good process. it may take longer than what we want because we want instant fix it. i really feel that we just have to do some healing and get rid of this hatred. >> so what happened next? at what point do you feel safe enough to go back to your home. maybe you can jump in as the attorney here. at what point do you say to your clients that i think this is died down enough that you can be safe? >> i have reached out to spike lee's camp and received word from one of his publicists and i'm hopeful that we'll be able
to talk today. first of all, we're grateful for his apology. we also would like a formal retraction. i think once a retraction is post ed in a public manner, they'll feel safe to go home because then the world will no for sure that george zimmerman is not living at their home address. at that point in time their safety would be okay and they would be okay to return home. >> i certainly hope their calls for everybody to be calm are heeded by everybody involved in this case because it definitely feels like tensions are being ratcheted up on all fronts. elaine and david mcclain, thanks for talking to us. >> you have a blessed day. >> likewise. i appreciate that. if you will head to work and don't want to miss the rest of your show, check out our live block on our website cnn.com/startingpoint. ahead this morning, yelling about a leap of faith and other details about that jetblue pilot's mid air meltdown.
how was he at the controls when he lost control. is this a wake-up call for the entire industry? we'll talk to the former inspector general for the department of transportation. remember this moment? president obama singing. starts off soft. ♪ i am so in love with you >> he's taking on some other songs this morning. you don't want to miss this one. you're watching "starting point." we're back after this short break. the most spectacular experiences are happening here. imax now showing on the big board.
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>> so that song is a little slow for our mornings usually except when maxwell e-mails and says this is what he would like to hear. i say you got it. thank you for watching. >> he's watching right now. >> we'll play anything you want, maxwell. >> soledad, we would love to have you in studio. >> thank you for negotiating that. i appreciate it. >> speaking of that singing, president obama, we have so much video of the president singing. remember this moment, for example. ♪ i am so in love with you >> you have to hear joe biden's "free bird." >> then there was this moment. ♪ come on baby don't you want to
go ♪ >> think of the pressure. singing with bb king right there. so now he's singing the song "i'm sexy and i know it" by lfmao. sort of. listen. ♪ everybody stops and stares at me ♪ ♪ i got passion in my pants ♪ and i ain't afraid to show it, show it, show it ♪ ♪ i'm sexy and i know it . >> uploaded by youtube users made from clips obviously of white house.gov's public domain of presidential speeches. they already have the president covering lady gaga and reihanna as well. >> where do they get the sexy word polled? when did he say that? >> he probably said three words if you combined could come out to sexy.
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one family's escape through the flames was caught on a son's cell phone video. the father says they waited as long as they could before finally getting out. >> we loaded up the car and the last thing i saw was this large flame shoot up and we realized we had to go right then. and we turned that corner and went from daylight into pure darkness. >> the family says they believe their home is still standing. andrea yates, the houston mom who drown her five children in a bathtub back in 2001 may soon be allowed to leave her psychiatric hospital to attend church. yates' attorney says he expects doctors at the state hospital in texas to file a letter to the state district court within ten days recommending his client be granted a two-hour pass to attend sunday services. this would be the first step toward a permanent release for andrea yates. soledad? >> that was such a sad story when that happened. >> it was so long ago.
it still brings chills thinking of those little kids. >> terrible, terrible story. thank you for that update. some new details this morning about that mid air meltdown by a jetblue pilot clayton osbon is in a texas hospital. he's in fbi custody charged with interfering with a flight crew. on a flight to vegas on tuesday he erupted into a bizarre outburst running around the cabin literally yelling incoherently about jesus s, about 9/11, about iraq and terrorists. things that would make people freak out if they're passengers. when he was in the cockpit, he turned off the radios, dimmed his control monitors. he was restrained after he tried to break back into the cockpit. joining us this morning is aviation attorney and former inspector general for the u.s. department of transportation and also licensed commercial pilot. nice to have you both. mary, i'll start with you. what explains this? when you heard this story
unfolding with incredible details, what did you first think? >> my first thought is there was something wrong physically with the pilot. this has happened before although not with a pilot in this manner. there have been passengers. one had meningitis and was not literally not able to grasp reality. there have been passengers who have had reactions to drugs. there have been pilots who have died in the cockpit. my first reaction was the man was kick but the passengers helped the co-pilot get the situation under control. >> if you read the criminal complaint, which is absolutely fascinating, and we posted it on cnn.com/startingpoint because it's an incredible read. they say that osbon tried to re-enter his code to re-enter the cockpit. he banged hard enough that the first officer thought he was coming through the door. the fo announced over the pa system an order to restrain osbon, which i assume would be an order for the passengers to jump in and help out. >> that had to be scary.
can you imagine hearing this is your co-pilot. please restrain the captain? i mean, it's got to be a horrifying situation. there's no doubt that the first officer did great job here. he took control of the situation. he saw an opportunity. as soon as this guy left the cabin, he locks the door and keeps that guy outside. this is a guy randomly pushing buttons and shutting off the radios. yelling at controllers. this is someone who is definitely out of control. when he started banging on the door it was reported he was saying i got to get this airplane down on the ground. i got to pull those throttles back. we're not going to vegas. can you imagine what he would have done had he gotten back in there that might have affected the safety of the flight. >> we know some clues not just from this pilot because he's quoted as saying as i mentioned about september 11th and iran and iraq and then when you look at that flight attendant who had a meltdown the other day, an american airlines flight attendant, she was talking about 9/11. she was talking about the plane going to crash. this is the same thing. camera phone.
you can hear shrieking in the background. so the common thread between the two is this sense of potential terrorism bringing the plane down. is this sort of a post- 9/11 pos post-traumatic stress? >> there's so many stresses on the aviation industry today not the least of which is economic but also the security concerns and the additional -- the world that we live in today and so that's why the faa is probably going to reexamine whether psychiatric exams need to be included in part of the pilot review. i doubt they will order it. it will be a sweeping change. they'll probably look at the medical certificates and how we evaluate pilots and they do allow psychiatric medications. very few but some while you fly. i think the faa will review that. the system is under a lot of stress. >> let me ask john a question. you're a pilot. if you are a pilot who is flying for an airline and you're
depressed or taking medication, is it fair to say you might lie about what's going on because you don't want to get caught? >> you can lie on any of the medical forms and doctor won't know it. i've been through many first class physicals that this guy went through. not once did i feel someone was evaluating me on a psychological basis. what's scary is this guy gets to work. nobody notices it. he takes off. everything is fine. >> he missed a meeting. would that be a red flag or one of those things it happens. >> it could have been traffic. just like -- >> that couldn't be a red flag. >> not a red flag because you're late from work. three ours inhours into the fli goes berserk. why wasn't he yelling and ranting before? >> the affidavit shows as they were taking off out of jfk, he started getting very tense and acting a little bit strangely. it's not until the 3 1/2 hours in that he's having the full meltdown.
>> i want to ask one quick question. is your lesson from this there may be greater pressures on the airline industry or a personal issue with this guy? >> i don't know. i'm not a doctor. there has to be pressure on these pilots to worry about terrorism. there's no doubt about it. >> we all have to pay more attention on our flights. >> bombs placed inside aircraft and got off because of intelligence. these pilots can lock that cockpit door but if something is hidden in cargo on routine shipment, there's stress on these guys and women. >> all right. thank you. we appreciate it. it is terrifying to think now to be a passenger on that. still ahead on "starting point," millions trying to get rich quick. don't start spending it yet. there are megaodds of the megamillions but worth buying a ticket. we'll talk about the film "bully." it's heartbreaking. looks at five families dealing with impact of bullying and includes interviews with two
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>> i just gave it to you. >> so the movie, "bully" is an amazing film with a very powerful message. it looks at five families dealing with impact of bullying. take a look. >> was never the most athletic. he was always the last one to be chose. nobody would be on his team because they said he was a geek and [ bleep ] and they didn't want to play with him. it took a toll on him early in middle school. where he cried. then he got to a point where he didn't cry anymore.
>> tyler committed suicide when he was 17 years old by hanging himself in his closet. the story hits theaters in limited release tomorrow. makers were fighting for pg-13 rating because they wanted kids to attend the film but it's being released with no rating at all. let's talk about that controversy over the rating. when i watched this film, i'm tearing up. the stories are so powerful and so sad. i literally thought at the end i'll drag my children to see this film. it's so important for them to see. with this rating issue how much of a problem will it be? >> there's a double standard. they will continue give films that are very violent, celebrate, glorify violence pg-13 ratings and this gets hit with an r because of a couple uses of the f word. >> it's a documentary. these are real life stories. >> it's as if any middle schooler hasn't heard that language before. >> you are rolling the tape in a middle school and you are
capturing what those kids are actually saying. let's play clips. story of tyler. >> tyler's is heartbreaking. >> this kid you see pictures of him as baby. he grows into a little boy. an awkward kid. >> he had asperger's. special needs kids can't make eye contact and communicate the we we expect. >> he's that kid who is challenged by making friends in school. you see what his dad says about how hard it was. listen. >> when you're in the shower and your clothes are taken and you have no way of getting out of the gym other than walking out naked. when you're standing in the bathroom and you're urinating and people push you from behind up against the stall and you urinate on your pants.
when you are sitting in the classroom and someone grabs your books and throws them on the floor and tells you [ bleep ] pick them up. those are things that happened to tyler. >> the list goes on and on. it's a brutal story. how did you come to find these families? >> we found this family because we -- when you make a film you are looking for stories. we were getting news feeds every day finding out -- there's so much happening. when you look across the country with this issue. we learned that they were try -- this was five weeks after the death of tyler. to put a town hall meeting together to talk about what was happening in those schools. that's how i met them. they were sort of preparing for this trying to get community to buy into to talk about what was happening and ultimately the school district barred every one of their staff members from attending that meeting. >> let me play a clip of an administrator you show in the morning greeting the kids. i thought this was really, really telling.
let's play the next clip. she forces the kid who was being bullied and the bully to shake hands. >> shake hands. cole. you are not going anywhere. he is offering his hand and let this drop. you may go. cole, i expected more. >> he criticizes me every single day. >> why are you around him? >> i don't. he comes to me. he follows me. he criticizes me. calling me a [ bleep ]. >> that's not right. he shouldn't do that. he was trying to say he was sorry. >> he already did and he didn't mean it. it continued on. >> you didn't mean it when you stuck your and out either. that means you're just like him, right? >> lee wrote a column on
bullying when the incident happened in florida and dad got on the bus and they were pick on his daughter. people came down on him. the point i made then is part of the problem is that it is accepted in schools that this is just a part of kids being in school. >> shake hands. how can you say that? >> teache erers and administrao say get over it. i have to deal with you and call your parents in, you have a problem child. >> people blame the parents so often but many parents aren't actually informed by the school that their kids are engaged in bullying behavior so they don't have the opportunity to parent in that -- yeah. >> i want to thank you for making the film. >> thank you. >> deeply. i sympathize with your problems with language. every curse word i learned i learned from a child when i was a child. i did this as a standup and commentaries on it. i want to know your thoughts on it. one of the problems with bullying is that we're still
using the word bullying. why don't we use terms like peer abuse, criminal harassment because bullying is what the little raskals got. >> it's torture. >> i don't think people take the term seriously because it doesn't do justice to the scorn and abuse these children face. >> i think you are right. i thought about that a lot. i think the word almost minimizes now the actual total experience of it. if this happened to adults, there would be police involved. there would be restraining orders. there would be charges laid. when it happens to kids, it's just -- all of those arguments you said. kids will be kids. that's part of this national conversation. i think the thing about a movie like this is we can sort of step outside of the breaking news headlines and actually really get into what does it mean to create change but really talk about this in a way that's not in crisis but where do we go from here? >> this movie is so good and so
hard to watch. so painful. as a parent, i get teary. i will -- it's so important. people should bring their kids as i will do even though there's the f word in there. people have to see this movie. >> also you got to deal with your child. >> absolutely. >> thank you for talking to us. good luck on the film. >> we'll get to end point with the panel in just a moment. all energy development comes with some risk, but proven technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... ...protect water - through conservation and self-contained recycling systems... ... and protect land - by reducing our footprint and respecting wildlife.
time for end point. 30 seconds left. >> i want to return to the story of spike lee attempting to tweet out or retweet george zimmerman's address in florida. my question is this. what if spike lee had been successful? what if he tweeted out the accurate address? what was he hoping to accomplish there. >> no answer for that this morning. we'll leave it at that.